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As Christians and Pro-lifers should we really be rejoicing in the death of a fellow human person, even if he was Osama Bin Laden?

I know Osama Bin Laden is the master mind behind 911, I know he is responsible for the deaths of thousands of men, women and children; does that however make it OK for us to rejoice in his death? I would say that we can say with a 99.9999 percent certainty that this man died outside of the Grace of God. There is no sign whatsoever that he ever converted to Christianity or repented for his sins.

Lets look another man in history who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of human persons.

Dr Bernard Nathanson the former abortionist turned pro-life activist killed tens of thousands of human beings himself. This man was not only an abortionist, he helped get abortion legal in the United States. He repented and turned his life around and we all embraced him as an ally and good Christian man. When he dies we celebrated a man who did so much good and helped so many to see the truth. It does not matter how many people you kill or what you do; there can be forgiveness in Christ.

I just have to ask why we see people dancing in the streets and celebrating the death of a man who just like Dr Nathanson needed the hope of Christ? I know that our nation was under attack and that Osama Bin Laden was an active participant in a war; but does that make his death any less tragic as his soul is likely in hell?

Should we rejoice that a man’s soul will be suffering for eternity; I don’t believe we should. We should be relieved that this man will no longer have the power to hurt people, but not celebrating and singing songs in the streets.

My heart breaks for every soul who dies without the Hope and Blood of Christ, and that includes Usama Bin Laden.

Bryan Kemper

Please tell me what you think?

72 Comments

  1. Posted May 2, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    What do I think?
    You’re twisted. Every person must stand before Christ on that fateful day.

  2. Vanessa Honaker
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    That is so interesting because I was telling my husband the exact same thing last night and he looked at me so oddly and could not understand what I meant….I almost felt I was the only one feeling this way. When I saw all those people cheering in front of the White House over his death, it almost reminded me of when 9/11 happened and over there, some of the people were cheering in their streets as well over all the people that died here.

  3. louisa
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Haven’t read your blog; however, as a quick answer to your question, I think that most Christians are celebrating the end of an extreme evil, and not so much the end of a human life.

    Thanks for giving pause for thought.

  4. Caitlin M.
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I totally agree, but then why were you celebrating it yourself via facebook status earlier?

    • Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

      Caitlin I never celebrated, i simply reported that he was dead. There was no rejoicing or celebration done.

      • Jeremy
        Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

        From Bryan’s FB: “Usama Bin Laden is dead! Just before the 10th anniversary of 911, couldn’t be better timing.” – Bryan, unless you twist it in some weird way, that was celebration.

        • Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

          Jeremy that was not celebration or rejoicing. But as I look back at what I typed I will admit that it as not the best wording. In fact if it is perceived as celebration then I am sorry, it was not meant that way. I was trying to simply remark on the timing and probably did not do so very gracefully.

  5. Stephanie
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    I understand that people are glad because they feel that justice has been served. As Christians, though, I agree with you that we should not be rejoicing over this man’s death. It is not our job to judge, but God’s.

  6. Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    As a pro-life advocate, I am against the killing of human beings at any stage of their life; no matter the reason. I would be more rejoiceful had we been able to capture Osama and let him live the remainder of his life in captivity at Guantanamo. Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

    I think it is important to admit our contradictions as pro-life advocates. Many of us are pro-war and pro-death penalty but anti-abortion. If this sounds like you, call yourself as you are: anti-abortion, not pro-life. Rejoice in the death of Osama and the innocent lives lost every day in our wars.

    On the religious side of things, it seems like everyone on my Facebook news feed was quick to condemn Osama to hell despite any actual knowledge of this. For all we may know, he could have sincerely repented minutes before he was killed. Whether he did or not is irrelevant. That is because we will NEVER know…unless you meet him in the afterlife.

  7. Joy
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Yes. You totally said everything I’ve been trying to get across last night and today. Thank you for wording it so well. I agree with you completely! This article fully reflects the love that, as Christians, we should be showing instead of the judgment that has been shown and isn’t ours to show. Anyway, thank you.

  8. J. S. Bailey
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Bryan, this is off-topic but there are contraceptive ads appearing on your site under “Ads by Google.” You might want to find a way to block those!

    • Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

      Those ads are from your browser or smartphone, they are not generated by my blog.

  9. Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    I’m right there with you Bryan. Whatever the state of OBL’s soul when he died, God doesn’t desire the death of a sinner, but rather that he repent and live. And Scripture tells us not to rejoice in the death of our enemies.

    God’s justice is perfect and He’ll be meeting out whatever justice is for OBL, but the best thing we can do is take the situation as a sobering reminder of our own sinfulness and mortality and pray that God granted OBL the grace of repentance before he died.

    Btw, I’d highly recommend the late Fr. Richard John Neuhaus’s “Death on a Friday Afternoon,” which is an extended meditation on the crucifixion, for more great thoughts on how we view death and conversion.

  10. Julie P.
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    I think that justice was served. Could he have repented and been forgiven by God? Sure. Like you said, unlikely that he did. But yes, such a thing was possible. However, repentance and forgiveness from God does not necessarily give one an escape from the consequences of one’s actions in this life. It is an entirely appropriate and Biblical role for government to dispense justice. I don’t feel at all that it is against pro-life views to be for this sort of justice. I am against the taking of innocent human lives. The death penalty is appropriate under certain circumstances (like this one where Osama was very much guilty for being behind the death of thousands of innocent men, women and children). I know many disagree. But even God permitted for the death penalty for certain crimes and for more than just the murder of another human being. Are you saying that it was evil for those in power to carry out the death penalty under the circumstances that God permitted it? It was, after all, often human beings who carried the death penalty out. I think we should be cautious in how we approach this situation, but I don’t think it is wrong to be glad for it. Justice has been served and Osama can no longer hurt anyone–for those two reasons, I am glad.

    “When the wicked perish, there are shouts of joy.” Prov. 11:10

    • Joy
      Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

      ” ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live.” (Ezekiel 33:11)

      • Julie P.
        Posted May 2, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

        But it was still justice and the Lord is a God of justice as much as a God of love. What kind of a God would He be if He never punished evil? And He gave authority to governments to do just that. I won’t mourn Osama and I don’t feel sorry for being glad justice has been done and that he can’t hurt anyone else (note: I did NOT say I’m glad he’s probably in Hell!). I still stand by what I said. And if you’re going to say that capital punishment is evil (i.e. the death sentence) then you must say that God is evil for sanctioning it. And if one cannot call themselves “pro-life” if they feel the death penalty is sometimes appropriate, then you can’t argue that God is pro-life since He sanctioned the death penalty.

      • Joy
        Posted May 2, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

        At this point, you’re just arguing with scripture. Which is fine, if you want to do that. I’m not doing or claiming any of the things that you accused me of doing or claiming. My comments end here.

      • Julie P.
        Posted May 2, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

        “At this point, you’re just arguing with scripture.”

        Joy, I didn’t bring up any specific Scriptures, but I was referencing what they say. Consider these then…

        Psalm 92, which is a psalm of praise, in which the psalmist praises God for destroying the wicked/his enemies:

        Psalm 92[a]
        A psalm. A song. For the Sabbath day.

        1 It is good to praise the LORD
        and make music to your name, O Most High,
        2 proclaiming your love in the morning
        and your faithfulness at night,
        3 to the music of the ten-stringed lyre
        and the melody of the harp.

        4 For you make me glad by your deeds, LORD;
        I sing for joy at what your hands have done.
        5 How great are your works, LORD,
        how profound your thoughts!
        6 Senseless people do not know,
        fools do not understand,
        7 that though the wicked spring up like grass
        and all evildoers flourish,
        they will be destroyed forever.

        8 But you, LORD, are forever exalted.

        9 For surely your enemies, LORD,
        surely your enemies will perish;
        all evildoers will be scattered.
        10 You have exalted my horn[b] like that of a wild ox;
        fine oils have been poured on me.
        11 My eyes have seen the defeat of my adversaries;
        my ears have heard the rout of my wicked foes.

        12 The righteous will flourish like a palm tree,
        they will grow like a cedar of Lebanon;
        13 planted in the house of the LORD,
        they will flourish in the courts of our God.
        14 They will still bear fruit in old age,
        they will stay fresh and green,
        15 proclaiming, “The LORD is upright;
        he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him.”

        Or how about this one… “The righteous will be glad when they are avenged,
        when they dip their feet in the blood of the wicked.” Psalm 58:10

        Or this one… “Yet it was he who filled their houses with good things, so I stand aloof from the plans of the wicked.The righteous see their ruin and rejoice; the innocent mock them, saying, ‘Surely our foes are destroyed, and fire devours their wealth.’” Job 22:18-20

        These are just a few examples, but I’m sure I could find more easily.

        I wasn’t arguing with (or against, as I’m assuming that’s what you meant) Scripture… I was merely pointing out that Scripture also paints a picture of rejoicing when justice is delivered to the wicked, as the Scripture I gave from Proverbs in my original post also shows. I’m not arguing that God doesn’t take pleasure in the death of the wicked as the Scriptures say, but I am arguing that it isn’t necessarily “bad” to feel relief or gladness when a wicked man has been brought to justice and that it isn’t wrong for a government to deliver that justice and that even the death penalty (as in this case with Osama) is not always wrong. And when I said “you” in my last post, I was making a general statement and not necessarily *you*… I apologize for the confusion.

      • Julie P.
        Posted May 2, 2011 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

        Joy, I looked back over what I said and I am curious why you felt the need to post that Scripture under what I said in the first place if you weren’t somehow trying to chastise me for pointing out that the death penalty is not always inappropriate and is not necessarily at odds with the pro-life stance? I never said God takes pleasure in the death of the wicked… just that He is a just God and that he has sanctioned the death penalty in certain circumstances and that it is a Biblical role of government to dispense justice. At any rate, I think I’ve demonstrated my points about it not always being wrong to feel relief and even gladness when justice is done.

    • Loretta
      Posted May 2, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

      I agree with you, Julie. Well said.

  11. Shannon Norvell
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Sure! The guy caused death & hatred. I rejoice. Same as if when Hitler died! Good riddens. He was never one of God’s chosen, so I don’t feel it is a soul lost.

    • Mickey
      Posted May 2, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

      I personally feel it is indeed a soul lost because it was not a soul gained…it states in the bible that we are to bring lost souls to god…his lost soul was not gained…idk if that makes sense but it’s my personal opinion… 🙂

  12. Marisa
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    I totally agree with you. To Louisa, is it really the end of extreme evil? Aren’t we now at risk that Osama’s followers will retaliate and worse things could happen? Yes, he was evil, do I think that he should have been killed? I don’t know but it’s not for me to decide. Isn’t that for God to decide? But then again, where do we draw the line?

    But no, I do not think people should be celebrating.

  13. Beth
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Completely agree, Brian! And thank you for standing up and saying as much! 🙂 We need to continue to pray for all of those who share his ideology that they may repent and come to know, love, and serve our Lord.

  14. Ally B
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Bryan…I am glad you posted about this – I woke up this morning and I was disturbed but what I saw. Yesterday was Divine Mercy Sunday and at the end of the day no matter what Bin Laden did if he was the only man on earth Jesus would have still come to die for those sins.
    That being said, this man is a symbol for a number of highly emotionally charged global events and a 10 year battle which has cost many American, British and Afghani lives. So should there be a moment to pause and recognise that magnitude which has culminated at this point – most definitely. Should that recognition be jubilation and celebration – most definitely not. This should be a moment where we can all stop and take stock of where we have come to globally, there is blood on the hands of both sides and families left heartbroken on both sides. The death of this man should be a catalyst for a determined effort towards true PEACE not celebration at the violent death of another human being.
    “Peace is not just the absence of war. Like a cathedral, peace must be constructed patiently and with unshakable faith.” ~ Blessed John Paul II

  15. Christine Ellen Bohman-Cin
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Brian, I am right with you brother!!! Have you read the Vatican’s statement on Osama Bin Laden’s death? Tony and I watched the President’s announcement with great sorrow and horror as we watched people rejoicing at the news. It did not go unnoticed in our household that Osama Bin Laden’s death was announced on Divine Mercy Sunday. Our family will continue to pray for his soul, the souls in Purgatory, and all of us wandering souls on this great orb of ours. I only hope and pray that this is NOT the calm before the storm. I greatly fear retribution for his killing. I am not saying this to excuse any of his horrific deeds, incitings, etc. I, too have known those who have been negatively affected by his terror, known those who have served in wars since 9/11, but to rejoice at his death, I am sorry I cannot. Christ asks us to pray for and love our enemies, I think Osama Bin Laden can at least get that from me. Pax Christi, Crys et al

  16. Ally B
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    “In the soul of a Christian there is never joy for the death of a man, even if he is an enemy.” – Archbishop Anthony Rufin of Islamabad, Pakistan

    • Beth
      Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

      We need to see these statements from Church leaders worldwide! Thanks for posting, Ally! 🙂

  17. Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    It’s not a contradiction to feel satisfaction — not joy — when justice is carried out. “Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed.” Genesis 9:6. This passage states that it’s for the very reason that human beings are made in the image of God — the sanctity of human life — that capital punishment is proper. It is not a denial of the sanctity of human life, but the ultimate defense of it.

    Rendering justice is the proper role of government, not individuals. It’s never to be carried out gleefully, but soberly, with fear. “It is appointed to a man once to die, and afterwards face judgment.” Death isn’t the worst fate; falling into the hands of God is.

  18. Julie P.
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Michele Shoun, I fully agree! You said that wonderfully!

  19. Jennie
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    I completely agree with Michele Shoun. Beautifully said.

  20. Kevin Williams
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    I totally agree with you Bryan.
    In the Red sea Crossing where Moses said “Stand still and see the salvation of the Lord” (I love that statement partly because when I was highlighting it in my old Bible I had my camper up in the mountains and it had been snowing hard all day. As I was highlighting it the sun broke out brightly as it continued snowing hard) 🙂 A precious memory.
    Anyway, Moses said; “The Lord will fight for you, and you SHALL HOLD YOUR PEACE!” I believe God was saying we are not to cheer and high five each other at the destruction of our enemies! We as the children of God are to have spiritual eyes and we are to view each and every soul as they REALLY are. With incredible possibilities. CS Lewis said something like “The most boring and uninteresting person you could ever meet has the potential of becoming, by God’s grace a creature that if you were to see them now you might be strongly tempted to worship. Or a horror and a corruption such as you see now only in a nightmare.” In which case our hearts should mourn for the soul of Osama Bin Ladin and ALL lost souls and pray for God to open their blinded hearts and minds and eyes and give us the heavenly wisdom and words to inform their ignorance that they should turn from such a fate!

  21. Bob Z
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    I agree with you Bryan. When I heard the news last night, while I was relieved that he was stopped, I prayed for his soul.

  22. Tyson G.
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    I agree that the death of a person who is most likely going to hell is sad and tragic, and that rejoicing is maybe not the best response. First, if we look at scripture, Romans 13:1-4 clearly states that people who do wrong should fear response from authorities who are clearly placed into power by God according to that same scripture. So by doing wrong in the eyes of those authorities legally and morally, he brought wrath upon himself from those God-appointed authorities. Also, in the old testament days, when God eliminated people who were threatening His people, or who opposed the Living God, God’s people rejoiced and celebrated what God did for them. Honestly, should we be dancing in the streets? Doesn’t seem right to me, but according to the scripture in Romans the authorities had the right to do what they did to Osama Bin Laden, and if we look to the King David etc then celebrating God’s intervening and protections seem some what appropriate, but that fact that he is in hell is still tragic.

  23. Kellee
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    I agree with you Byran, and I am so glad to see that more agree as well. Quite honestly, to begin with I did not know how to take it, and I discussed it with my friends-none of us did. We saw everyone rejoicing, and we knew this is not how Christ calls us to act. Jesus loves him just as much as he loves any of the rest of us. But at the same time, we knew that he was responsible for the deaths of so many innocents, and given the chance, he would kill us at our devotional group at school in a heartbeat. But as I went through my day, one I heard so many “Christians” make comments such as “The only thing that would make this better is if I had pulled the trigger myself”. This made me sick! I then came to the same conclusion you seem to have, which seems now quite obvious. If we are in the mind of Christ, then we would react to this just as Christ would. He would be sorrowful. One of his beloved children have died- and even worse, without Him in his life! And so many are taking “comfort” in his death, and so many who Christians at that, when all this time we all should have been taking comfort in THE Comortor himself- Jesus Christ!

  24. Christina
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    I agree with Michele Shoun.

    I am glad that he is no longer a cause for concern, that doesn’t mean I rejoice in the fact that a person had to die. He was kind of like Goliath, to make a Biblical comparison. Goliath had to die for God’s plan to happen. Justice was served. Someone I follow on twitter said “Here’s one. What if Osama had accepted Jesus Christ before he was killed. Would you be glad he made it in?” My answer is yes, no one deserves salvation, but God gives it to those who ask. So I think it’s good that Osama was brought to justice, and unfortunate that he most likely never came to know Christ.

  25. Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    if you lost families lives because of him then it may be a little harder to have pity. I don’t feel sorry for him. Although I don’t rejoice either because dead or alive doesn’t change anything in America as far as I know. With that having been said, I find the hardest thing for me personally…. is to love thy neighbor. With all that having been said, I am not sure if I would jump to believe everything the media/government says. Some people even believe the fake pics on the internet. *sighs*. I don’t claim to know the truth, because I do not, but who knows what is true…. Either way I surely hope it isn’t a publicity stunt or a -distraction- from what is going on in America. fun fact, he “died” the same day as Hitler… weird huh lol. Bryan you are awesome, and your words are humble. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jenni-Coffin-Pro-Life-Educator/191344774243205

    • Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

      excuse me for repeating myself ^^^^^ heheh

    • Loretta
      Posted May 2, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

      I’m just glad he can no longer spread his evil hatred and cause the death of more people. I knew people killed on 9/11. I have not contacted their families, out of respect. This must be a very difficult day for them. Yet again, every day must be difficult for them 🙁

  26. Posted May 2, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    i always wonder how “Thou shalt not kill” could justify wars or capital punishment… but we humans seem to have a way of rationalizing. and in this case, actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that osama bin laden died shortly after 9-11. do your research, dear brothers and sisters. most of the world knows this, except for americans.

    • Rachel
      Posted May 4, 2011 at 12:59 am | Permalink

      There is some argument over the word ‘kill’ versus the word ‘murder’. From what I’ve read previously, the word used in Hebrew was not one of the more specific words for murder, nor was it a word used only for ALL types of killing.

      How do Christians justify a war? If it was necessary, then I would point out that God HAS sent people into battle and war before at His command. Whether or not CERTAIN wars are actually at God’s command and not the result of manipulation by corrupt clergy is another matter (e.g. the Holy wars) and you could argue about any war, whether or not it was necessary.

      One could also point out war in self-defense. If another country is planning to/has attacked you, then you have the right to defend yourself. Strong warriors were praised in the Bible, were they not? Samson, David, etc.

      The point is God recognized the need for war. Thus “Thou shalt not kill/murder” (depending on your translation) is referring to something besides JUSTIFIED battle, emphasis on justified.

      All of this is merely the way I feel, what I have read, and what I feel God has expressed to me. What is right for one may be wrong for another (Romans 14:14).

      • Posted May 4, 2011 at 2:51 am | Permalink

        rachel, i follow jesus, not paul. the romans 14:14 argument does not really follow. ‘clean’ or ‘unclean’ = apples and oranges.

        i don’t believe that war is addressed per se by jesus. i do believe that jesus would suggest, ‘talk to your brother… turn the other cheek… work it out… do no harm… be as pure and innocent as a child… love one another… judge not… forgive…’ i feel certain he would agree with “thou shalt not kill.” jesus surely would not rationalize war, murder, theft, slavery, aggression.

        jesus came to change things. peace is his message in the new testament. war was rampant in the old testament. isaiah is an old testament hero who seems to be more akin to jesus… very beautiful. “they shall harm nor destroy in all my holy mountain…” yet most of the old testament was very violent and obscene. there were many pre-emptive wars of aggression by the hebrews – killing to steal land, resources, slaves, incest, prostitution, etc and nearly every punishment for even the slightest insult was death.

        i understand that some people who follow the old testament still justify thinking ill of and killing people like you and me, saying that we are not really human, but animals… the ‘animal’ category includes everyone who is not hebrew flesh and blood – even jesus, who was born jewish was a blasphemer in their eyes and disowned, sentenced to death. jesus broke the hebrew laws – as interpreted by the pharisees – and in their eyes that was a crime punishable by death.

        this ‘me tarzan, you jane’ or ‘me and my tribe are ok, your and your tribe are not’, is the mindset that allows killing, murder, theft, war. i believe that god, which IS light, IS love, IS life everlasting, values life because god IS life. god is the spirit, the breath, that breathes you. an interesting word play is this: LIVE spelled backwards is EVIL. do you see that? E-V-I-L and L-I-V-E. life is god’s terrain; that which opposes life is what we call ‘evil’. devil is de (french for ‘of’) evil, d’evil, of evil. please vote for life, for god, for all creatures, great and small. in his eyes, all of life is ‘chosen’.

  27. Margaret
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    No we shouldn’t rejoice if we are Christians because every life is viewed as sacred. It’s kind of the same thing as when George Tiller was killed.

  28. Erin
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    I was thinking the same thing as I viewed all the rejoicing and “God thanking” this morning on facebook. If you say you are pro-life, it doesn’t just mean you are against abortion, but believe that EVERY life is sacrade. He, too, was one of God’s children, and Christ died on the cross for him, just like he did for you.

  29. Posted May 2, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    I agree with you that people shouldn’t rejoice over Bin Laden’s death, but I also believe we should not grieve his death either. Here is my status update from this morning: “I’ve seen some controversy over what the proper Christian response should be to Bin Laden’s death. Justice was served and I praise God for that. But I dare not think I am any less derserving of death. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Rom. 6:23. I am grateful for the gift. Osama Bin Laden rejected it.” I feel that if we rejoice over his death, we imply that we are better than Bin Laden. If we grieve his death, I think that implies we are displeased with the justice and holiness of God. Also, grieving his death diminishes the lives of those he has killed.

  30. Julie P.
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    I don’t disagree that Christ died for Osama as well. I do disagree that he was God’s child. Only those who come to Christ are God’s children. Scripture makes that plain (1 John differentiates between *people* that are God’s children and that are the devil’s children. Galatians 3:26-27 make it clear that it is through faith in Christ that we are God’s children. John 1:12 states that to all that believed on and received Christ, He gave a right to become children of God. Jesus Himself told the pharisees that their father was the devil. etc.) Just putting that out there since I’ve seen him called a child of God a few times (unless he came to Christ before his death, that would not be so) and since I see people say something like “we are all God’s children” all the time. Just something that bugs me…

  31. Nancy Belzile
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    I agree Bryan. My heart is saddened today for this lost soul and for all of the people rejoicing his death – it is not a time to rejoice – a very somber day.

  32. April
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Proverbs 24: 17-18 Don’t rejoice when your enemies fall; don’t be happy when they stumble. For the Lord will be displeased with you and will turn his anger away from them.

    We can see this in 2 Samuel when David’s father Solomon refused to gloat over the death of his lifelong enemy, Saul. In Obadiah 1:12 we see an example of what happens to those who gloat, as the nation of Edom is punished for rejoicing over Israel’s defeat. Anytime the enemy destroys a life, or gains a soul believers should NEVER be happy!

  33. Rob
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    “I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.”–Mark Twain

  34. Mary
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    I agree with you. It doesn’t bring joy to have someone killed, though it may bring relief or closure to many affected by the 9/11 tragedy. Many people that have done terrible things should be given the chance for repentence and forgiveness. I was surprised at my own reaction of sadness after a day instead of being glad. I guess I don’t see the victory in losing souls to eternal damnation.

  35. C.
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Agreed, Bryan!

  36. Lindsey
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    So God destroyed the Midianite people, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, etc, etc, … not to mention flooding the whole world, sparing only Noah & company and drowning the rest of the human population. Can we condemn God as not being “truly prolife?”

    The punishment for wickedness isn’t just for the afterlife – the consequences of one’s sin manifests itself in this life on earth as well. There are many accounts in the Bible where God condemned people to death by the hands of the Israelites due to the peoples’ unrepentant and truly disgusting ways. He even judged His own children of Israel and condemned them to death for failing to follow His commands by handing them over to their enemies to be enslaved or even by the sword of others in the nation itself.

    Biblically speaking, I think it is evident that God is a proponent of capital punishment. Though I don’t want to be “happy” that one more soul has chosen death over life, I think it’s justifiable to not feel remorse for the death of this man.

    • Julie P.
      Posted May 3, 2011 at 1:19 am | Permalink

      Lindsey,

      I agree! Do we forget that God is the same yesterday, today and forever? That Jesus is God? The same God of the NT is the same God that did all those things you mentioned in the OT. Even in the NT, He struck a man and his wife dead for lying to the Holy Spirit. God is still holy and He is still just. His love would be anemic otherwise.

  37. Allan Brewster
    Posted May 2, 2011 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Thousands rejoiced at his death, but I have to ask an honest question. How many was praying for his salvation?
    I feel sad about the situation for two reasons:
    1. He is a lost soul that has no more hope.
    2. The nation has backslide from the standards of God that we once valued. Standards for life and standards of moral living including family values.
    How can we rejoice when spiritually the nation as a whole is in the same condition.
    Remember Thursday is the National Day of Prayer. The nation is in need of wide spread repentance.

  38. Stacey Gilbert
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    I feel it is a sad day first of for Osama Bin Laden, because of the life he lived and the lives he consumed we should be praying. And it is also sad, for some americans that do not understand the reason for life and death. We as humans choose to do as we please but when that great day comes, we all better be ready. Some are going to be rejoicing and some are going to be running.

  39. Tuesday Patience
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    I asked a similar question on my Facebook page…and was surprised by how many friends feel justified in rejoicing the death of bin Laden. For me, it is not even an issue of the Church’s teachings…it is just wrong to ever be excited – JOYFUL! – that someone has been killed. As much as it angers some of those who I love most, I feel the same way about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, for example.

    I cannot draw a line in the sand and say that the lives of THESE folks matter – while the lives of THESE folks do not. When Timothy McVeigh was executed, our priest called for a moment of silence during Mass. That made such a profound impact on me.

    Here are a couple of articles regarding this:
    http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1101730.htm
    http://www.cathnewsusa.com/2011/05/dont-celebrate-death-of-bin-laden-vatican/

  40. Brid
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    Firstly, in a country were millions of children have been / are being slaughtered, no one has the right to point the finger at any else. When I saw Obama stand up and praise God for catching Osama, I nearly vomited. The last time I heard, Osama didn’t block a law which sought to protect babies from getting their brains sucked out. No matter how violent Osama and his followers are they are only trotting after your own home grown thugs, one of these being the US president.

    Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone, and all the that.

    Secondly, the callous way people rejoiced at his killing was disgusting. Triumphalism at its best. And a sure fire way of making sure every poverty stricken and disadvantaged Arab male goes on hating the west for a long time.

  41. Allan Brewster
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    In Noah’s time God searched out the world and could only find Noah that was seeking to do right.In the case of Sodom, God could only find Lot that was seeking to do right at that time, even Lot’s son’s in laws perished. In the case of Jericho, Rahab the Harlot stood for God’s people and was saved. In every case God gave a chance for people to turn to him. All those nations that Israel destroyed had earlier attempted to do the same to Israel or where so far into child sacrifice that their hearts were hardened and could not hear God to repent.

  42. Julie
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Do we really need to argue about whether we should rejoice or not? We have no idea what led up to this moment. There is plenty of biblical evidence that God uses people or countries to carry out justice against evildoers. There is plenty of biblical evidence that we are to love our enemies and not rejoice in their death. My point is we really have no way of knowing where God’s hand was in this – perhaps he used the US military, perhaps he didn’t. Perhaps Osama’s death was God’s doing through men, perhaps men took the matter into their own hands. How can we ever know? We haven’t got it all figured out, nor should we.

  43. kj
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    agree.

  44. David Zacchetti
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Celebrating without any qualms a successful and just military action in the war against Islamic terrorism.

  45. Barbara
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Bryan,
    Thank you for your comments. I agree with you. When I hear some one wish another in hell, I wonder if they have any understanding of what that means. An eternity of suffering with no hope. Never experiencing the love of God that we look forward to.
    My next thought was, while this man may no longer be able to direct the murders of thousands of innocents, what will be the retaliation of those who revered him? Are we really safer?
    Peace and all good,
    Barbara

  46. Posted May 3, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Totally agree!!!

  47. Allan Brewster
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    I believe the United States made a major mistake. Consider when the terrorists attacked on 9-11. They believed that it was the highest honor they could be bestowed by Allah to give their lives for him. I believe that in the eyes of the terrorists, that we bestowed the highest honor upon Ben Laden. That is, him giving his life for Allah. Instead of causing division among the terrorists, I believe it will create a closer bond among them.

  48. Posted May 3, 2011 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    I totally agree with your perspective. I share my personal reflections here: http://746times.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/mercy-and-murder/

    You might like it.

  49. April
    Posted May 3, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    It’s one thing to thank the Lord for Justice and to acknowledge his faithfulness, but it’s a whole different ball game to finger point/judge and rejoice in the death/punishment of another human being. It reminds me of being in grade school as a kid. When I was in the 5th grade a couple of girls starting harassing me constantly. They would push, name call and sometimes destroy my belongings. This went on for almost a full year, until one day I snapped and punched the leader in the chops! She ran and cried to the teacher and when he asked me about the incident, I told him the truth. The teacher knew me pretty well and knew that I was not a fighter or instigator and he had seen the other girls provoking me for awhile. When he asked the other girls their side of the story they lied. That day, I was surprised to see my enemies get suspended and even more surprised to see that I was not punished at all!!? I was relieved that the teacher believed me and relieved that my enemies were punished, but I was in NO way happy that they were punished. I knew I was lucky to have escaped discipline for my part in the argument. Later that week, I went to the girl whom I had slapped and apologized to her. I wanted her to know that it was not right and that I should have not responded in the way to her teasing. Surprisingly enough, it was enough to create peace for the remainder of the school year. I know with Bin Laden it’s a bigger issue, but we still have a choice to respond with a pure heart and in doing so allow our lights to shine in a dark world. Use every opportunity to show the love/character of Christ to those who are lost. Remember….. the rest of the Muslim community is watching/listening to your comments/feelings. Are you displaying the perfect love of Christ? Is your behavior showing compassion/concern for others or are you concerned with justifying your own need to “rejoice” over the death of another? I’m sure the soldiers and spectators who watched Christ die on the cross “rejoiced” in his death, but little did they know his life had just begun. I have know many people could have died before coming to the Lord. Many, who persecuted Christians and committed many crimes against others, but God in his mercy chose to wait…. wait…. and wait still, and because he did these people are now awaiting everlasting life. 🙂

  50. Allan Brewster
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    The entire Bible from the words “In the beginning” in the book of Genesis to the word “Amen” in the book of Revelation is the inspired word of God. What Moses wrote was inspired of the Holy Spirit and what Paul wrote was the inspired word of God. God has not changed and neither has his word. To understand the Old Testament it requires study of the entire Old Testament and not just a chapter here and there. God is a merciful God and always has been, including in the Old Testament,that includes throughout every battle.The things Paul wrote was inspired by the Holy Spirit and agrees with what Jesus taught, but once again it requires study of the entire New Testament to understand.
    About the words murder and kill. Murder is the shedding of innocent blood or the taking of a life without a legal trial if the person could be captured without taking his or her life. Killing is the taking of life after a legal trial, in defense, of during war, because God gave authority to Governments to use force if needed to keep civil law.

  51. Allan Brewster
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    The man that supports the murder of 4000 babies a day in the United States is still in power and being turned into some type of hero because of Ben Laden. His program to spread abortion world wide has not changed and even now he is trying to force abortion into law in the Philippines. Why rejoice until we are able to use the elections to bestow civil rights to the weakest of all in the nation:The babies in the womb.

  52. Julie
    Posted May 4, 2011 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    I’m not sure how to take a past comment that basically compares Christ to Osama Bin Laden. The people who rejoiced in Christ’s death knew he hadn’t led terrorist attacks killing thousands of people! No, we don’t know what happened to Osama’s soul after he died, and we have no place to wish him to hell. But we don’t know for sure if we can rejoice in Osama’s death or not, do we? Rejoicing does not have to equate to damning him to hell. I’ll admit, I don’t know exactly where I stand on it, but do I need to? It’s in God’s hands. I was sickened by turning it into a Mardi Gras style party in front of the White House.

    Let’s please not forget that we are human and have human responses to things like the death of an organizer of mass murder. I think the rejoicing you see is a natural response, whether sinful or not.

  53. phinehas
    Posted May 5, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    “do I think that he should have been killed? I don’t know but it’s not for me to decide. Isn’t that for God to decide?”

    God already established the circumstances of when capital punishment should be metted out by the governing body….the only decision people need to make is if a person’s actions fit those circumstances. In the case of Osama Bin Laden, they did, at least based on the information provided by the media and governments.

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